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The US military is preparing a massive military campaign against Iran, sending thousands of American troops, warships and weaponry to Israel. An unnamed source said the military deployment of US anti-missile ships and accompanying support personnel will occur in January and later this spring, Global Research reported.
Commander of the US Third Air Force based in Germany Lt.-Gen Frank Gorenc said it is not just an "exercise," but a "deployment," The Jerusalem Post said.
Washington and Tel Aviv have planned to hold what they call the largest-ever joint military exercise this spring. The US commander visited Israel two weeks ago to confirm details for “the deployment of several thousand American soldiers to Israel.”
The US General also visited one of Israel's three Iron Dome anti-missile outposts. The Israeli Air Force has announced plans to deploy a fourth Iron Dome system in coming months. While US troops will be stationed in Israel for an unspecified amount of time, Israeli military personnel will be added to United States European Command (EUCOM) in Germany.
This is while the US is reportedly bringing its Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) and ship-based Aegis ballistic missile systems to Israel. The White House has resumed its anti-Iran war rhetoric after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a report in November, in which Tehran was accused of conducting activities related to developing nuclear weapons. Iran strongly dismissed the allegations.
US analyst Robert Parry said the documentary evidence showed that IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano was installed with the support of the US and that he privately indicated to US and Israeli officials that he would help advance their goals regarding Iran.
In December, Iran's Navy launched massive 10-day military drills in the strategic Strait of Hormuz to show that the country is ready to defend itself against any attack. "We wanted to send this message to certain powers that Iran is always prepared to defend itself against foreign aggression,"
Iran's Navy Deputy Commander Admiral Amir Rastegari told Press TV. Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama on Saturday signed into law fresh economic sanctions, targeting Iran's Central Bank and financial sector.
Anti-Iran measures provoked by the US and Israel are aimed to deny Iran's right of having peaceful nuclear program. Tehran, as a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and a member of the IAEA, has repeatedly stated that its nuclear activities are solely for civilian purposes.
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Whilst no one in their right mind wants war, sometimes its the lesser of two evils, Hitler and the 3rd reich had to be destroyed, it was appeasementthat made them stronger, similar to how islam is growing in the west. Iran must be destroyed and its ability to wage war must be completely snuffed out so that it does not raise its head from the dust again. To do this as in times past Israel needs to destroy their god and expose him as being completely useless and false. When one looks at Iraq and Afghanistan one see's a technical victory on the battlefield but an undefeated enemy that still fights. We are not allowed to win wars anymore, the media and sensetive governments will not allow it, the armies of islam fight believing their god sanctions and calls for it so they will do it to the last man believing they will recieve their 72 virgins or boys depending on their preference therefore their god must be humiliated like the god of the nile,sun etc was by YHWH. In saying that peace itself cannot come until the prince of Peace comes, what is coming here is a false peace with a false prince.
Hello Bob
I have JUST discovered something that I want to pass on, not to gloat – at all, but because I am certain you, at the very least, will appreciate this tidbit of info.
I’m not sure how old this is, but the video by Dr Robert Dean (who is a fantastic Bible teacher and my fav.) is dated ‘two months ago’. His friend, Tommy Ice who is – or has been, studying in the University of Wales (UK?) about John Derby; he phoned Robby, very excited, as he has found written documentation that Derby had already been studying the Bible about the Pre-Trib Rapture in 1827, three years before the Irving /MacDonald fallacy spun by Dave MacPherson of 1830 in his erroneous book ‘The Rapture Plot’. The Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine doesn’t need this support, at all, but from the point of view of DM’s deceiving and faulty research, it is very satisfying imo. :)
The Little Horns Daniel 7-8. (Revelation series)
http://vimeo.com/31238924
If you don't want to publish this, would you be kind enough to pass it on Tommy Three Lions please. TA!
Every blessing for 2012
Maranatha!
Sue
There is definitely something quite sinister and menacing going on in the Middle East between the US and Iran right now. What we could be seeing taking shape could be just another piece of the jigsaw designed to plunge the whole world into an apocalyptic Third World War designed especially so that the Antichrist can come striding forth from out of its ashes to take control of whatever remains as an unrivaled global dictator. What I have noted though is that there is really something quite big in the pipeline with the US withdrawing their forces from other parts of the world; it looks like the preparations are well under way for something a lot bigger than Iraq or Afghanistan. Even though the thought of a Third World war is a frightening scenario to one and all we shall just have to wait and see how all of this pans out in the short term.
Fanks Sue, will check it out.
Hi Expected,
I don't go down the MacDonald vison road and I am not shocked by the news you bring at all. Because quite simply most who study this subject realise sooner or later that Darby (not Derby) was actually reading about pre trib before Margaret's "vision".
It is what he was reading that is revealing. It was the book on the second coming by Catholic priest La Cunza who wrote under the pseudonym of a Jewish Rabbi.
To me that makes the Pre-trib position even more untenable.
From my own studies thus far on this subject, whereas I agree with much of what MacPherson writes on this topic I certainly don't agree with everything he says and I don't approve of his confrontational approach. There again I agree with much of what the RC church teaches!
Quite frankly It would make no difference to me whatsoever if Thomas Ice found a copy of the Times dated 1925 with an article by John Darby promulgating the 'pre-tribulation' rapture.
It is from my own independent study of God's Word that I came to the conclusion that the pre tribulation rapture is not biblical. We must be very careful about listening to so-called spiritual 'gurus'.
The bible clearly teaches the second advent of Jesus Christ, and try as hard as I could I do not see a second coming before the second coming.
As we know there are events that yet must come to pass and that the Antichrist must come first....
I am not having a go at you at all, but it is just that there are certain discrepancies that I have noted relative to what you call a Rapture of the Church comparative to what the word of God is really saying. Firstly, do you see what you call the Rapture of the Church and the Day of the Lord as one in the same event? Alternatively, do you see them as being two totally unrelated separate events? If they are separate events, then how do you explain away the fact that the word Rapture never gets a mention in the word of God? If there were a Rapture of the Church, wouldn't the word of God say the Rapture of the Church? However, the word Rapture never gets a mention, not even once. There is no point in trying to explain that one away by saying it is there in the Latin. I want to see it written in plain good old King James English and not in the Latin. However, I will not because it is not there to begin with. If there were a Post Tribulation Rapture, wouldn't that mean that everyone is going to have to go through the seven years of tribulation? Then, how do you explain your theory of the Rapture as being a pre-wrath Rapture when it at the end of the seven years of tribulation, as that makes it a post wrath and not a pre wrath Rapture? The reason there is so much argument about this one event amongst Christian circles concerning the timing of the rapture is because there is so much confusion amongst Christians relative to something that is not there to begin with - that is - the Rapture of the Church.
Whether you call it Rapture or snatching away or catching away the word of God is clear. We shall meet the Lord in the air in the clouds.
The Greek word denotes a violent noisy snatching upward motion.
Also there is no such thing from Genesis to Revelation called a 7 year tribulation. If we study the words of Jesus and Daniel it becomes clear the tribulation begins mid-way through the final 7 years and probably doesn't last the whole three and a half years because Jesus said the tribulation would be "cut short".
As for the Wrath, we must determine when the wrath of God begins.
It is clear from scripture the wrath of God is the same as the Day of the Lord. So we ask the question, when does the Day of the Lord begin?
Acccording to Isaiah and Joel and Amos and Malachi and Jesus and Paul and John certain events have to happen first.
Elijah has to appear, there are certain cosmic events,the apostasy has to come and so on.
Jesus said the cosmic events begin AFTER the tribulation, so that means the tribulation is NOT the wrath of God or the Day of the Lord. Because the cosmic events precede the time of the outpouring of God's wrath.
Many believe Elijah will be one of the two end time prophets the antichrist kills in Jerusalem.
So if the Day of the Lord's wrath is the final 7 years that must mean Elijah must appear before the start of Daniels 70th week, the final 7 years. Because Malachi plainly says Elijah will come BEFORE the great and terrible Day of the Lord.
But if Elijah appears during the final 7 years that fits perfectly with the belief that the Day of the Lord is not the 7 years.
Also please note: Daniel adds a further 75 days to the 7 years. The last half of the 7 years are 1260 days long but the angel said to Daniel blessed is he who comes to the 1335 day.
So to suggest the 7 years is the day of the Lord or the wrath of God simply is not so when one collates the scriptures together and does not just pick and choose the ones that fit a particular theological stanpoint.
According to the prophets and the Messiah and the apostles the Day of the Lord's wrath begins after the tribulation
Without much prayer and bible study it is nigh on impossible I would say for God to reveal the truth regarding the second advent.
This is an incredibly difficult subject in my humble opinion to be overtly dogmatic about.
Without dissecting in minute detail, I believe that I am in broad agreement with what Bob has written above.
The 'definitive' rapture scriptures in Thessalonians and John do not mention the word 'rapture' but I believe that Bob has explained that most adequately.
Although a believer for 11 years now I have only believed that the pre-trib position is not biblical for about three months now. I could never figure out the scriptural gymnastics required to 'understand it' for example the understanding that Matthew 24 is only for the Jews and the explaining away of the trumpets etc,etc. What I now find strange is that I almost used to view people like Bob Mitchell as heretics for not supporting the pre-trib position!
Anonymous I note that you call the KJV 'good' and indeed you are right, I used to for a short while be KJV only, until I started studying the works of men such as B.W. Newton and S.P. Tregelles etc.
I now have the Revised Version amongst others and Hebrew/Greek concordance. I read Bullinger's 'Apocalypse' at least three times, Sir Robert Anderson's 'Coming Prince' and Just about all of Arthur Pink's writings on the 'End-times', and many other works by these eminent and other pre-trib scholars. Undoubedtly the aforementioned ecipse my scriptural knowledge and intelligence by a mile, but does not the LORD say 'Let NO man deceive you?' Just because your 'favourite' preacher 'says so' doesn't mean he is right. If we really do believe that we are in the 'End times' and events can move exponentially, we must be on our guard against the Antichrist who is coming very soon....
PS I meant 1825 on my last post.
Brother Bob; Firstly, thanks for taking the time and consideration to answer my inquiry. However, the word of God says that the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we who are alive shall meet the Lord in the air; of that, there can be no argument. There is nowhere in the word of God that I can find where it says that event will be what is commonly known as a Rapture, even though there may be some who may describe it as being the taking away of the church, or a snatching up, it is still not called a Rapture in the word of God. I agree that there is nowhere in the word that says there is going to be seven years of tribulation but that the final seven years commencing after the signing of the covenant between the Antichrist and the waring nations in the Middle East. He breaks the treaty after the first three and a half years after moving into the temple by saying that he is God as if he were God, then, the final three and a half years of the seven years known as the Great Tribulation begins. As that is the case, then the tribulation period lasts for only three and half years and not seven years. I can also agree with you when you say the last three and a half years of tribulation is not the Day of the Lord, but that the wrath of God must commence after the seven years, and if that were the case then all of what has been mentioned above fits in with the Post Tribulation theory. Right, so if the wrath of God commences at the same time as the Day of the Lord that means that the Christians must taken before that terrible time comes upon the earth then what Christians are really describing is the Day of the Lord. Then, those who are saying their Rapture is going to take place sometime before the seven years, or mid way through the seven years, or even after the seven years, are really saying they know when the Lord is going to return. However, it quite clearly says in the word of God, that no one knows the hour or the day, and that the Day of the Lord and the Rapture of the Church are one in the same event. Accordingly, if what I am able to gather from your answer is correct you then have answered my question to a tee as it looks like there will be a Post Tribulation wrath of God at which point BEFORE God takes the Christians to be snatched up to meet the Lord in the air. The only spanner that is been thrown into the works relative to the above is the timing for the reappearance of Elijah as that is something that I have never heard discussed before you mentioned at this point. Nonetheless, if you are suggesting that Elijah must return before the commencement of the 70th week of Daniel, some Christians might confuse the appearance of the Antichrist as the reappearance of Elijah? At the end of the day, the matter under discussion depends on ones interpretation as to whether one believes the Day of the Lord commences before the seven years, or mid way through the seven years, or after the seven years. (See the aforementioned) There is a more simplified way of viewing the whole matter, and that is to look for the return for the Lord in the context of the complete fulfillment of the remainder of the Bible prophecies. As that is the case, then the likelihood for the return of the Lord would not be possible until all of the Bible prophecies, up to the point of his return, have been brought to pass. Thanks for listening
Lads n lasses here we go again on that old chestnut itself 'the rapture'. I've never read or looked into the Derby stuff or Catholic stuff, becoming a believer I kind of automatically took on the pre view as natural, growing somewhat I abandoned it for a short period becoming a posty but finally settling on the pre after checking out the word itself. I'm not the brain of England and I'm happy to acknowledge that there are far more intelligent men/women when it comes to Biblical issues but I'm happy with what I have gleaned from the word itself. I have seen pre tribbers come off better in debates and I have seen post tribbers come off better in debates, I enjoy and learn from postys such as the Bobmeister himself and Presters such as Dave Hunt. I've heard some with scripture describe a post scenario and some with scripture describe a pre scenario. I see two comings or should I say one coming and one taking away so I'm perfectly happy looking forward to the harpazo and would like to assure all that should I be wrong and my Lord does not take us upstairs soon, I will not take the mark. However if I'm right I'll wave to you on the way up. At the end of the day whether we go upstairs sooner or later, one thing we do know. TIME is short, very short, its allc oming together for the final showdown, we're into injury time. Be holy, pray for the lost and look up.
Bob; Right, but when one is to look at the all over picture for timing of the return of the Lord there is really nothing at all mentioned in the scriptures to suggest the Day of the Lord, or the wrath of God, lasting seven years. Certainly, it has never ever been a view that I have personally held. I had always thought that after the signing of the covenant of Daniel Chapter 9, Verse 27 the final seven years of humanity's history here on the earth begins. And that the first three and half years were to be known as sorrows, while the second half of the three and a half years was to be known as the Great Tribulation. Then after the seven years, the Day of the Lord takes place preceded by the Christians being taken up into the air to meet the Lord, to be with the Lord forever. Comparative to those who believe in the Pre Tribulation Rapture (if I may use that word) what you had suggested at the right at the end of your explanation made the greatest sense of all, the wrath of God lasts only one day, not seven years, or even three and a half years. Quite clearly, those who believe in either the pre, (or mid theory) for the return of the Lord must think the wrath of God lasts for the complete seven years and that they will be out of here before then, when that is not the case at all.
Hello Bob
Do you remember Mid-Trib Tricia Tillin-Booth? She obtained a copy of the La Cunza book and researched it; it’s a while ago now, but to the best of my memory there was nothing to suggest he was Pre-Trib at all; much like the MM ‘prophecy’ that has not even a hint of Pre-Trib rather a confused partial postie.
Whatever a persons view, I don’t like the idea of people being ripped off buying badly researched material and making fools out of them by doing so; which was the purpose of my first comment.
As for Mr DArby ;) he studied the original documents stored in the Vatican library in his research to write his own interpretation of the Scriptures –so he read a great deal of Jesuit stuff in his thorough investigation getting to the facts. The Darby Bible is still highly respected for scholastic excellence.
Look what I found, I had already notified you in November 2008, see this link to Tricia’s info here on Shofar.
http://bob-mitchell.blogspot.com/2008/11/pre-trib-post-trib-discussion-now-on.html#axzz1ihkm592p
“…Lacunza and the Rapture
It has often been asserted (in ignorance of Lacunza's book) that this man was the first to propose a pre-trib Rapture. Actually, Lacunza did nothing of the sort.
His only reference to the removal of the saints makes it plain that they had endured throughout the Tribulation. However, he suggested that there would be a short time-period, of 45 days, between the "epiphany" (the appearance of the Lord in glory from Heaven) and the "parousia", (the coming to earth).
Lacunza suggested that the 45 days would be a time of judgement upon earth where the wrath of God was poured out on God's enemies. The millennial reign of Christ would follow.
However, this is a very different doctrine from the invisible catching away and resurrection of the believers before the Tribulation.
The pre-trib rapture is not to be found in Lacunza's book.
by Tricia Tillin
That's all I wanted to say, I didn't come to defend Pre-Trib, just a bit of evidence to right a wrong and show up a fraud.
Maybe I will add that the grammar in the Bible totally supports PreTrib with the use of personal pronouns such as... 'then WE which are alive and remain...!
Every blessing and Maranatha as the early Church proclaimed! :)
Sue
hi all I must clarify that I do not believe the Day of the Lord lasts for a simple 24 hours. Now we have all gone off on a tangent thanks to EI and us biting her bait let's agree the Lord is coming and we should get ready.
Now let's get back to current events. We know where we stand on the rapture issue so to go off down well worn paths is futile.
In love let us agree to disagree or agree and get on with the issues at hand.
To the last comment from the Bobmeister I would say AMEN
Nice to see the title 'Bobmeister' spreading. No royalties are required.
I have just listened to Tony Pearce's latest sermon (08/01/12). As I have said here many times before, I have learnt much from his teachings,even this latest recording. In my opinion he is correct in much of what he teaches apart from the timing of the rapture.
On this latest recording at the beginning he labours a bit about the timing of this great event. He uses words like; 'If I'm wrong about the timing', and so on. He also mentions the word 'Pan' etc. Listening to this recording he would seem to be doubting exactly what he believes about the rapture timing. From memory I believe the language that he uses is very similar to that used by Dr Richard Kent in his debate with you, implying more or less that the exact timing doesn't really matter as long as we all believe in Jesus, but is this so?
From your knowledge of post tribulation bible teachers past and present are there teachers that use this kind of language? I personally don't know of any but there again I haven't believed as long as you have. I wouldn't believe so because we can declare categorically that the bible does NOT teach a pre-tribulation or secret rapture.
I am not sure if you will put this comment on, although I must stress that people are being deceived by this teaching. I am not posting this to offend your pre-trib visitors. I have noticed that people can be offended very easily these days, if only we could 'die to self'!
This latest message ( Israel,Islam and the Second Coming )from Tony Pearce IS well worth listening to, if you have a spare hour or so!
Hi Colin,
Tony is a good man and I have chatted with him and interviewed him on tv more than once...even trvelled a short distance with him on the train. Is he changing his stance? I have no way of knowing. Probably not but then....
I agree there is no mention of a pre trib rapture anywhere in scipture: it is injected into the text but never stated. But the promise of a post trib return and gathering of the saints is definately presented.
Most pre trib friends I have are certain they are correct. Ther pre trib books I have read all are definate in their stand.
Interestingly I have recently been invited to a pre trib church to speak on the post trib rapture.
Should be a lively question and answer time.
Colin could you please point us to the site where we can listen to Tony's message?
Many thanks
Bob,
Type in 'Bridge Lane Christian Fellowship' and click on to 'sermons' the latest sermon is at the bottom of the list.
In my humble opinion for what its worth his belief in the pre-trib rapture is not very strong....
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